Username Post: Copying other conventions        (Topic#2024)
meauho 
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01-23-11 10:18 AM - Post#8208    

There have been several topics on here about one con copying another. I'm not talking about having the same panels or guests, but about having the same website, rules listed word for word the same, etc.

Personally, I'm not one to say that it is necessarily a bad thing - at least, not if the con you are copying knows, has given permission, and you credit their work. A good example of this would be the Artist Alley packet that I wrote for Oni-Con. Several cons nationwide have asked for MS Word versions so that they could make minor changes (venue and con name/ dates come to mind) before publishing it as their own.


Despite this, I personally believe that if you are going to copy another con's work - especially if you don't intend to make any mention of those who did the work - you should probably ensure that you don't forget to change every instance of the con's name to your own, and ensure that you fix the grammatical error.... oh, and a minor rewrite wouldn't be out of order, but that's probably asking too much.


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  • "Mechacon's Dealer Webpage" Said:
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Red = Mechacon's Webpage copied to Izumicon


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Edited by meauho on 01-23-11 10:19 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
PatrickD 
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01-23-11 03:10 PM - Post#8209    
    In response to meauho

I agree that it's perfectly fine for two conventions to share rules, content, and other assets as long as permission is given. However, if it's done without consent, that's outright theft.

Speaking from experience, Anime Boston has had its web site content used on two other conventions' web sites: Providence Anime Conference and Kami Kon.

http://animecons.com/events/info.shtml/1313
Providence Anime Conference was run by New England Anime Society, the non-profit corporation that also runs Anime Boston...so copying some of the web site content and rules in that case was perfectly fine.

http://animecons.com/events/info.shtml/1232
Kami Kon, on the other hand, copied all the text on their web site from Anime Boston except for one page: the masquerade rules (which were copied from ConnectiCon). One page they copied forgot to replace "Massachusetts" with "New Hampshire" and another still said "Anime Boston". They obviously did not ask permission. The convention was scheduled for February, but only announced in December. People on their forums soon discovered the convention didn't actually have a contract with the hotel. ...not surprising since apparently the entire con staff was under 18 at the time. The convention was cancelled about a month after it was announced.

I have to wonder if the Izumicon page copied from MechaCon was also copied by someone under 18 who doesn't realize that plagiarism is bad. Looking at stuff for ideas and inspiration is one thing...but anyone who is doing any writing for a convention's web site or program guide should NEVER copy any content from another convention without permission...not even one sentence.
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01-24-11 06:00 PM - Post#8221    
    In response to PatrickD

Like Patrick said, copying stuff from other cons is bad. I knew when I first got into convention planning, I copied the rule off the AnimeVegas website but was given permission to do so, after which I knew enough about con planning to write my own and be perfectly original.

Only when two conventions are ran by the same group can they use things word for word. Anime Bonanza website is pretty much a cookie cutter of Anime SG and more then a few pages share the same text. But that is only because I'm the one that puts on both cons. =_=
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01-24-11 06:06 PM - Post#8224    
    In response to A x e l - F

I was just thinking... Even if you have permission, it's probably a good idea to say so on the page. "Borrowed with permission from ___Con" or something. ...because unless the two events are obviously related (like PAC and Anime Boston...or Anime SG and Anime Bonanza), it could easily result in attendees noticing the similarity and falsely accusing one con of stealing from the other.

Besides, as we learned in school, it's always a good idea to cite sources.
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01-24-11 10:05 PM - Post#8228    
    In response to PatrickD

So very true. Otherwise the Wiki-Nazi's will come after you for any and all un-cited material. Yes, I know bad joke is bad.
>w<

But it also comes down that each convention is different and that some things need to be changed to fit that con's needs. Even on Bonanaza's rules needed to be altered from ASG's because of our venue area and where we are located. Last time I checked, Casino security doesn't like it when people run around their area in masks so that was something we really needed to add...
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01-25-11 01:24 PM - Post#8233    
    In response to A x e l - F

One thing to keep in mind with rules and guidelines of a con. Cons have to follow the laws of the state they are in and the guidelines of the facilities they are using. Obviously these will makes rules and guidelines different from con to con. So people can get into trouble that way too if they copy and paste someone else's rules, even with permission, because some things may not be applicable and some things may be totally missing that need to be in place.
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01-26-11 07:24 PM - Post#8249    
    In response to meauho

Something i've personally seen, is one con directly copying a Guest bio from another convention that guest had been to in their guidebook, but they forgot to edit out the name of the other con in said bio.
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meauho 
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01-26-11 09:14 PM - Post#8250    
    In response to Fuzzy

  • Fuzzy Said:
Something i've personally seen, is one con directly copying a Guest bio from another convention that guest had been to in their guidebook, but they forgot to edit out the name of the other con in said bio.


I've actually seen a guest provide a bio that had another con's name in it.


As far as the example copying; the saddest part about it is that, despite the fact that I was actively looking at both sites, I probably would have breezed right over the copying if they hadn't left Mecha's name in.

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01-27-11 03:03 AM - Post#8251    
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  • meauho Said:
As far as the example copying; the saddest part about it is that, despite the fact that I was actively looking at both sites, I probably would have breezed right over the copying if they hadn't left Mecha's name in.


When I noticed Kami Kon copied Anime Boston, I thought that the text looked familiar (since I wrote the original AB text back in 2002), but seeing "Massachusetts" and "Anime Boston" that they forgot to change removed any doubt...and also made it impossible for them to deny.
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06-16-11 12:08 PM - Post#9114    
    In response to PatrickD

  • PatrickD Said:
  • meauho Said:
As far as the example copying; the saddest part about it is that, despite the fact that I was actively looking at both sites, I probably would have breezed right over the copying if they hadn't left Mecha's name in.


When I noticed Kami Kon copied Anime Boston, I thought that the text looked familiar (since I wrote the original AB text back in 2002), but seeing "Massachusetts" and "Anime Boston" that they forgot to change removed any doubt...and also made it impossible for them to deny.



Like getting one's hands stuck in a cookie jar. I mean really? Is it honestly that hard to come up with your own material? I knew I use a lot of other convnetion's rules and guidelines and references but the key word being references. Even though some of the text may sound somewhat similar in the legal wording, I always rewrite everything myself.
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06-30-11 09:10 PM - Post#9203    
    In response to meauho

Well most cons will use the same rules most rules that are posted are common sense but need to be posted because there are people who sadly will not follow the rules or act like they didn't see them. I do agree though if your gonna copy it do use spell check^_^
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07-17-11 05:58 PM - Post#9291    
    In response to Blaxel

Well, like it said in some of the previous posts, that while some conventions will follow a base set of rules (no weapons, no costumes showing your nipples, etc.) each convention will require a different set of rules based on the people who host it, where it is being host and the kind of demographic you are targeting. One con cannot simply just use the same set of rules that another con uses because they may not all apply.
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